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this sunday whose party is it anyway? first the republicans. president trump's reversal on immigration has them serious. >> called out to the crowd. "we're going to build samples of the wall". >> is he this tone deaf? this ignorant? does he not know what got him elected. >> on tax, are we looking at a fundamental change? or at a president who just wants to put points on the board. i'm ask republican senator tom cotton. next the democrats. bernie sanders proposal for single payer healthcare. >> healthcare in america must be a right not a privilege.
>> but not the democratic leadership. >> we want to move the issue ford we're looking at all of it. >> senator bernie sanders joins me this morning. plus where hurricane irma hit the hardest. the u.s. virgin islands. my trip to the virgin islands. with former new york city mayor michael bloomburg who's raising awareness and money for the area. >> people who lost everything and don't have insurance, they have to start again. >> joining me for insight and analysis are --. welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." ♪
good sunday morning. it was hard not to get the sense this week that both political parties were itching for a fight, with themselves. senator sanders of vermont managed to drive a wedge into a party he doesn't even belong to. the left loves it. the democratic leaders and vulnerable senators in red states aren't quite so sure. senator sanders will join me in a in a moment on that issue. meanwhile president trump please september moderates and raged the right. young people brought here illegally as children from deportation. that deal would not include funding if for his border wall. the reaction from part of the republican righty unrestrained fury with some "i told you so" smugness thrown in. still does donald trump still plan to be a conservative or
not. ? does he want to cut taxes on the wealthy or not? deal on immigration or not? even does he really want to build a wall or not? his first months have been largely defined by shiny object unpredictability. but latest moves have some worried. >> you have 800 thousand young people. brought here no fault of their own. >> president trump frustrated with a stalled legislative agenda and annoyed at a lack of loyalty from republican leaders is now flirting with the democrats and some of his most loyal supporters are outraged. on wednesday night, breitbart news led my former strategyst steve bannon dubbed the president amnesty gone. >> renovating large sections of wall. massive sections. we're building four different samples of the wall to see which one we're going to choose.
>> but conservative talk radio is lashing out. >> imagine if he called out to the crowd we're going to build samples of the wall. samples of the wall, and we're going make the american taxpayers pay for it. >> is he this tone deaf? is he this ignorant? does he not know what got him elected? >> and colter tweeted who doesn't want trump impeached. no promise but more central than his pledge to build a border wall. >> that wall will go up so fast your head will spin. and you will say, you know he meant it. >> and he attacked democrats for push wag he called amnesty. >> why do our leaders spend so much time talking about how to help people here. illegally. they are here illegally. >> and candidate trump went even further. >> you want to get rid of the
birth righty citizenship. >> you have to get rid of. yes. what they are doing is having a baby. >> now top republicans doing their best to play down any framework of agreement. >> a deal on the table. i think it is unfair to say there is a done deal. i know there is no done deal. >> all i can say is there is a deal to be made. >> it is not clear whether trump voters will punish the president. ultimately a test of who has more sway with trump's insurgent conservative base. his critics in conservative media or trump himself. >> he can wait around for republicans to get their act together or he can try to forge ahead on his own and that means even reaching out to democrats. for now, though democratic activists are uncomfortable, democratic leaders are enjoying the president's flirtation with bipartisanship. >> joining me now is republican senator tom cotton of the arkansas.
welcome back. >> morning, chuck. >> the president struck a deal on the debt ceiling with democrats. the republicans weren't in the room. see are you concerned about this? >> i think the president has said publicly there is not a deal. he bants to see a deal. called me a couple of nights to go so say there is no deal. he wants to make sure we protect the interest of the american workers. asked me to sit down with senator schumer and other democrats. they want to focus on a package of benefits for illegal immigrants. we want to put american workers' interests first and we'll do that. but there is no deal right now. i'm happy to work with the president and democrats in congress try to reach a deal that helps american workers. >> do you think the president gave up leverage by allowing the border wall to be not part of this deal? democrats made this as part of the assistance. >> i don't think he gave up that
leverage. the wall is really a funding matter. we'll have a government funded debate later this year. if you want to give legal status to these 700 thousand or so people who are in their 20s and 30s now that came here illegally as children. that is a permanent and irreversible change to american law. you have to make a permanent and irreversible change in return. the way is my act. to reorient your system to high skilled workers. >> the if you qualify daca into law that it is a permanent change in the system. do you believe there is a way to do it for just these 800 thousand to a million folks? >> i think it has to be very tailored and incremental. congress has shown three times that it can't pass a major comprehensive immigration bill. >> and you acknowledge that?
>> i helped stop it in 20i because the deal was so bad then. it gave amnesty first and enforcement later. and when the amnesty now and enforcement never. and also increased the unskilled workers come into this country at a time when blue collar americans are still seeing their wages undercut. you seed a deal that solves the problem but also mitigates the negative side effects of it. >> can you give me a definition of the amnesty. in the eye of the beholder feels particularly when it comes to this debate on the rightside of the spectacular here. what is your definition of the amnesty. >> amnesty is illegal status -- >> do you believe this is amnesty for daca. >> well if you pass the so called dream act it will be the single bis amnesty in the history of the united states. even bigger than in 1986 which ronald reagan said was his
biggest mistake in offense. the core debit has never been legal status it's been how are we going to control the side effects. which is undercutting jobs and wages. and deterring more illegal immigration. put yourself in the shoes of the parent in el salvador. if you have the promise of american citizenship for your child trying to get away from the poverty and violence in that country and we pass a straight amnesty with no effort to increase enforcement or change green cards. would you take the risk? that's why we can't simply codify daca. we also have to deal with the negative side effects. >> some conservatives. i had a very animated never trump conservative radio talk show host on earlier this week. take a listen. >> when i was never trump, chuck, they told me if i didn't vote for trump we'd have amnesty, record debt and
obamacare. and guess what, they were right. >> do you still trust him to be a conservative president? >> i always want to support the president when he's righty. when he's wrong i'll try to change his mind. and when he doesn't have to oppose him and do what's best for arkansas. >> is his from us with mitch mcconnell warrantied? >> i think his frustration is with congress as a whole. the president doesn't have so much a leadership problem sometimes he has more of a membership problem. but that is not a problem. just this week. bernie sanders introduced his single payer healthcare bill. and that's divided the democratic party. that is just the nature of congress and also the nature of our separated system of government. >> you still have frustrate in mitch mcconnell. he's become a divisive figure in
this runoff and the alabama senate and there is a sense of the grass roots. knot so happy with mcconnell. what do you tell your constituents? >> i work well with snar mcconnell. and he's encouraged me just like president trump to sit down with democratic colleagues and try to reform the system in a way that suits american workers. >> north korea it seems always sound and four are you. always sanctions. nothing seems to work. it does appear the administration is looking for a credible option that at least somehow makes him blink but he's not blinking. what should the next step be? should bit continuing to sanction? or putting more pressure on not just on china but russia too. >> i believe you will see at the u.n. general assembly president trump sitting down trying to build stronger consensus. there are still areas of the economy we can't sanction. but we should especially put more pressure on china.
china forced us to water down sanctions a couple of weeks ago relating to the oil imports in north korea. china would rather have a nuclear north korea. you asked about north korea. noflt china's economic warfare on the united states. or militarizing new islands in the south china sea. we have to put pressure on china to achieve our objective which is a denuclearized north korea that can no longer threaten america. >> i've not seen you weigh in on the proposed trans gender been a. you are a recent vetter of these wars. where are you on this issue? >> waiting on the jamie mattis's report. he's going make the assessment. i think it is worth while to make the assessment. just like bob gates went through more than a year of analysis in 2009, 2010 rather than making a
the precipitous change. >> do you have a problem serving with a trans gender? >> i may have. i didn't go around asking. just like i may have served with a gay or lesbian soldier as well. we have to focus on individual soldiers and make sewer they are prepared to fight and win our country's wars. >> do you have any sense they are not? >> i think we have to wait for jim mattis's report. i want to make sure that the focus in our military is preparing our soldiers to fight and win our wars. >> senator tom cotton. i got to leave it there. thanks for coming on. appreciate it. now for the democrats as you just heard senator cotton talk about. there is a divide on that side of the i'll too. proposing single payer healthcare would have been considered too tookic to do not too long ago. but apparently not anymore. and it may have separate the party. joining me now is the
independent senator bernie sanders of vermont. welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> great to be with you, chuck. >> let me start with this. why would this week the right time to propose a solution that in your mind would replace obamacare over time. and the reason i ask that way is republicans are still trying to repeal and replace obamacare on their terms. did you add sort of more chum to the waters here by proposing an alternative that would be a version of repealing and replacing obamacare? >> no i think the immediate concern is the beat back these disastrous republican proposals that would throw millions and millions of people off of the health insurance that they have, raise premiums for older workers very substantially cut medicaid by hundreds of billions. that is the immediate concern. but chuck, there coombs a time when we have got to ask yourselves why are we, the united states of america, our
great nation, the only major country on earth not to guarantee healthcare to all people as a right? second of all, why are we spending twice as much per capita on healthcare as any other major country, all of whom guarantee healthcare to all of their people. and our healthcare outcomes are not necessarily better. third, why do we pay by far the highest prices in the world for precipitati prescription drugs. and in my view a medicare for all single payer program will address the issues and guarantee healthcare to all people in a cost effective way. that is the direction we've got to go. it is not going to happen tomorrow, i admit that. but we need to put the bench mark down there and go forward. >> asking about the cost issue. as you know, friends on the right. i put "friends" in kwoelts here. referring back to an old conversation of yours, having to do with the cost of expanding
the healthcare system. let me play it. and get your reaction. >> you wrant the guarantee that all people have access to healthcare as you do in canada. but i think we understand is that unless we change the funding system and control mechanisms in this country to do that. for example if we expanded medicaid. everybody in medicaid we would be spending such an astronomical sum of money that, you know, we would abrupt the nation. >> obviously the issue is there is the -- the idea of healthcare for all has majority support. and then when you remind people how much it could cost, how much taxes go up. then people get concerned. and obviously you were concerned about the finances there. explain what you mean and how you can change the funding system to not make this so astronomical. >> okay. very good question, chuck. but here is my hope. you and i are going to discuss this within five minutes. i would hope very much that nbc and cbs and abc allow us some
serious discussion time to explain to people in our country why we are spending so much more than other countries. but very briefly, and i would hope that we could have an hour discussion at some point on this issue. very briefly this is what we're going to do. number one, private insurance companies in this country spend between 12 and 18% on administration costs. and their administer stering hundreds of the deductibles and the plans. cost of the medicare is 2%. with ke save approximately 500 billion dollars a year just in administration costs. second of all because we pay so much more per capita on -- for
our prescription drugs. by having medicare negotiate drug prices we can save over a hundred billion there. so that is a lot of savings. and thirdly, the important point, my republican friends say bernie wants to raise your taxes flts. they forget to conveniently mention that bernie wants to do away with the private insurance premiums you are now paying. for example. the average worker who makes 50 thousand a year is spending 13,000 on that worker the employer. the worker himself is spending $5,000. $18 those. now if our plan goes into effect that $13,000 private insurance premium disappears for the employer. it goes down. the amount of money the worker is now spending that 5,000 dollars goes down. we replace private insurance
premiums with medicare premiums. the average middle class worker saves money. >> how do you convince some 80% of american whose do get healthcare from their employer, that it is worth rejiggering the system again? that seems to be the other challenge. people who get employer based private insurance are basically happy with their insurance. the people that are not happy are those in that other 20%. >> well yes and no. and in fact we need a lot of discussion and i would hope that on abc, nbc, cbs question begin to to have that kind of discussion in a serious way. gallop does a lot of polling and what they find out is that the most popular health insurance program in this country is medicare. people, seniors feel really good. veterans administration ranks very high. in fact private insurance companies if not all --. the only thing that's
changing -- this is not a government takeover t only thing that's changing is color of your insurance card from a blue cross blue shield car to a different card. it is the same structure. you still go to the dor you want. let me ask you. as you know your former primary rival hillary clinton is on a book tour. he she wrote a lot about you in this book. i just want to play one quick excerpt and get you do respond on the other side. >> i wassing orri arguing with supporters at the denver convention in 2008 about why they had to quit complaining that i didn't win and get out and support barack obama. and i didn't get that respect from him and his supporters. >> as you know you have probably seen some excerpts of the book. i don't know if you fully read it yet. but this is a consistent theme.
she claims you didn't work hard enough to bring your supporters to the polls the way she did in '508. and if anything your supporters may have undermined her candidacy and the general election. do you support that criticism? >> wow. no i really don't. and right now we're focus tong infrastructure and high cost of the prescription drugs. i think we have to go forwards. not backwards. let me say this. i worked as hard as i could. i went all over this country after endorsing hillary clinton. and i would remind people. not everybody who voted for bernie ended up voting for the hillary. no kidding. that's what happens in the politics. in 200 that is the nature of politics. most people are not rigidly democrats or republicans. they vote where they want. i worked as hard as i could to see that hillary clinton would
be elected president. >> speaking of the democratic party you are in some ways the most influential member of it yet you are not technically a member of it. the filing deadline to file as a democrat for the united states senate in vermont in 2018 is about three months earlier than adverti it is for you to file as an independent. it is in may. do you plan to file as the democrat or independent when you run for reelection in 2018. >> i will do what i have done in the past. let me say something about this. the current model of the democratic party obviously is not working. republicans control the house, the senate. they control the white house. they control two-thirds of the governors offices throughout this country. in my view, chuck what we need to do is reach out to independents. there are a heck of a lot more independents that be republicans or democrats in this country. i've worked within the democratic caucus for over 25 years.
i'm continue to do that. >> so you will become a member when you think it is finally open enough -- >> actually. it is not a question of a litmus test. i think the democratic party has to reach out to working people. reach out to young people. has got to come up with a the progressive agenda and by the way that agenda is gaining momentum. $15 an hour minimum wage. >> okay. >> putting a trillion dollars into rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. that is the agenda we've got to fight on. >> i'll leave it there. i look forward to our more extensive conversation on how to do single payer healthcare how to pay for it because there are a lot of details we need to get to. thank you sir for coming on and sharing your views. >> thank you very much. >> coming up. shining a light on the area hardest hit by irma. their experience is coveted. their leadership is instinctive. they're experts in things you haven't heard of -
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last eight months. e lost his mojo. he was losing. so he had to do something to get it back. he goes to harvey. seems to be to be looking empathetic and people feel good about it and then he comes back and announces the docket again and people get outraged at the can idea again so he loses that sense of the positive momentum and then he calls in jockey and nancy and gets the relief to texas and feels good again. so impulse takes over and he does the next thing to talk about daca. the question is can an impulse become a strategy over time? without that confidence, he once said his best temperament the reason he was better than any other president is because he always always won. he always always lost in the first eight months and he wlams the republicans. he has to blames himself. even if the strategy works because they like the fact he's a winner again, then his
unforced errors will still be there. the temperament. >> what do you think? >> i think we're seeing stage two. we're not paying enough attention to john kelly's influence on what's going on in the white house. i think that the press -- input they receive because they are drinking water by fire hose every day and in case there is a lot of infighting taking up a lot of the prescient's time. a lot of in-house intrigue. i think steve bannon, frankly, and some of his viewpoints were not in keeping with anything you could get done in congress. and i think john kelly came in. you know, he's cleared the deck and now it is an organized process where the input is more positive. and i think john kelly is not a policy-driven person. he's got his own points of view. but he's a "let's get things done" general and i think where some what we're seeing is result of his being in the white house.
>> some never trump conservative david. write this is. what really matters to him. referring to president trump, is praise. it was only a matter of time before the moth flew to the glow of public opinion. basically confirming dorris's take here. >> i see it a bit differently. i think this is a strategy. and donald trump is not one to twiddle his thumbs while others get their act together. his dna is in deal making. so why not go and talk to chuck and nancy and all that. i think the big narrative that's been missed here is that donald trump's base that we hear so much about is not a constitutionally conservative tea party base. it just isn't. and it goes across party lines and i know we talk about independents and democrats and it is more than that. it is blue collar. a lot of these voters if you want to punch politicians in the face and here is donald trump doing it. so if it is chuck and nancy or
mitch and paul who cares. the bottom line is he's been talking about the bipartisanship for a while. >> right about that. the trump voters are not conservative voters. they are not democratic, they are not independent. they are not breitbart voters. they are donald trump voters and he's a keen sense of that. but you also have to look at whatever room donald trump happens to be in. if he's in a room where he's going to get a roar for talk about the second amendment or talking about the wall or hillary clinton then he'll do that. if he's in a room with chuck and nancy whew's he going to try toy befriend that room? chuck and nancy more so than mitch mcconnell. mitch mcconnell is a master of his own silence. donald trump doesn't work with those people in the same way like a new york senator and don't discount the value of being the senator from new york. is this a strategy? i don't think so. i think this is gut impulse for him and he'll go whichever the wind takes him. wherever he feels he can see a win or feels he can hear the
loudest roar. >> i have to say. is he risking more than he realizes here when he messes with immigration? only because if there was one issue that animated him in those primaries it was immigration. >> i think if he risks himself and he loses his confidence and he's not feeling good he risks everything that people voted for him for, that he was a fighter and going to stand up for things. i'm not sure one issue -- we always keep thinking a bridge too far. but if he -- and i think he was losing himself. he didn't appear happy. he didn't have any sense of humor. and he didn't feel good. and then who is he? if he doesn't feel good and get the applause. if you lose yourself you lose everything. >> and daca -- comprehensive immigration reform. if you are going to take on immigration, daca is the safest bay to play in. and i think that's what's going on. >> and if you want, evangelicals
in the street they are all for the dreamers. the wall is the issue for him clearly. and .200 o 2020 when he starts campaign again he's going to have to come with blueprints and pictures. >> i don't think that's true. i think at the rallies when people would come in and yell "build the wall," yes mexico was going to pay for ive. a lot of it is this is part of the show of the rally. this is what we do. but when you talk support of the donald trump, holding steadfast to any of his positions wasn't mandatory for them. not even the wall. there was a time in the campaign where the wall looked a little cloudy. like they were talking about having it be a cyber wall or fencing around the border rather than a concrete wall that donald trump had been propose eing. and when i asked his supporters whether or not they would feel undercut by that, they would generally say no. they would just trust donald
trump's judgment. >> and a good segway for hem. mark short, chief legislative aid for the president. here is what he said in an interview this week on this very topic. "i think what the definition of a wall is something we all need a serious conversation about. it is a myriad of different structures along the wall that we expect to be secure to make sure america is safe." so it can be a fence. but laura ingram is not going to accept that. rush limbaugh. >> trump defenders are not listening to them the way they are donald trump. they were anti-trump for a while and they had to turn and become pro donald trump when they realized that is where the movement was going. and the base is going. >> i'll say this. i think it was well-said. trump is the brand now. all of these commentators that have been around the brand are going find out they are going to have a miserable day if they think they are going to be able to track that. >> and they are going to seem
like the establishment now in a certain sense. the critics that are going of him. i think the problem is the brand still is going to suffer from whatever is going on with the russian investigation and. the problem is not how to win an election but how to win without proving you are unworthy to win. and if that happens the old trump is going to come right back. >> pause it here. even longer segment coming up. but up next, hurricane irma cost lives. untold damage in florida. still no power for many schools many miami. but worse in the u.s. virgin islands.
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welcome back. florida is only now beginning to recover from last week's on slaugt by hurricane irma. more than a million remain without power in five southeastern states. it's been a while since irma hit. the misery there is real. if you want to know what an area looks like when it takes a direct hit from a category five storm. just see what's happened to the u.s. virgin islands. in st. john.0% of the structures
have extensive damage. four known have a died and others missing. 80%. residents say the area's turned from green to brown. as all of the leaves on the trees have been blown off. when a locusal pointed this out. it is as if it got scorched. bloomburg wants americans to focus attention on their fellow citizens in the kraben and his experience helping new york recover from hurricane sandy can help the u.s. virgin islands recover as well. the aftermath of hurricane irma, the u.s. virgin islands. most residents left with nothing. on st. thomas just the frame of a government-built housing project still stands. >> you can see people's living quarters literally just blown and all the remnants. there is your couch. your television. your fans. all the things when you think
about all there. >> the majority of the power lines on the island are destroyed. on st. thomas and st. john's officials will still assessing damage without any sense of when power will be back on. >> who got you here? >> one of my partners has a house here. called, said there is a real problem. you read about it in the paper but unless you are on the grounds you don't really understand it. people had worked on hurricane sandy for the city brought them down. >> we lost one of the victims here. took her right out of the building. but folks stayed in here, five, six hours with that wind and survived it. >> and that is island native and 15 time nba all-star tim duncan on the left. bloomburg's team arrived with supplies and their expertise. >> we know -- we're going to work on changing the building codes and strengthen them. >> one of the things we did in
new york when recovering from sandy is we started focusing on long-term how do you prevent it at the same time and we got the criticism and they said no no you have to take care of the short stuff. you have to get it going and in the beginning when people see the instruction that is when you can get support and a long-term investment. six months later nobody wants to do anything about the problem. >> st. john's got the brunt of the storm. >> it was a ghost town in there. >> estimated 80% of the island's structures suffered extensive damage. >> of the three main virgin islands, st. john's small population. approximately 4,000 residents and this is the most, they are hurting the most. the most destruction is here. the most dire situations are here. mayor bloomburg brought all the supplies specifically for the needs here in st. john's. hard to look at. hard to see.
>> look at this construction. it doesn't look as if anything. not a single structure escaped damage. >> even to most basic necessities, including vital medications are slow to arrive. >> what are the meds you are running out? >> our biggest need has been insulin, ivs for rehydration and iv drugs. >> we're seeing a lot of, you know, traumatic injuries, brains and strain, lacerations, things you would expect in this environment. also people having problems with chronic medications. >> running o out of the prescriptions. >> president trump who visited florida last week also plans to come here and bloomburg thinks that is a good idea to bring tex attention to the situation. >> u.s. virgin islands are part of america. we care about you guys.
it gives everybody that lives here more confidence and pride and a believe that help will come. and number two, it does increase the help because people say oh i didn't know they needed that. i'll give some money. i'll volunteer. they are going to need hundreds of the crews electricians to put up all the power. >> money is not going to be the issue here. it is going to be the people. >> they are trying to lock it up because everybody is not evacuating. >> what does success look like here? >> six months from now all the corrugated metal that blew off all the wrecked cars will all be gone. unfortunately there will still be lots of people who had a real job in tourism and they have to bring that back. people who have to start again not having insurance. >> unfortunately the storm may not end there. three storms brewing in the atlantic. and one of them, maria, may be headed to the caribbean and the virgin islands this week. coming up sounds like easy
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welcome back. data download time. diversity and culture continue to be major fault lines in american politics. what we learned in ouz latest nbc news wall street journal poll. but we're no longer talking about two parties. we're talk about three. democrat, republicans and the party of donald trump. let me explain. the true trump voter is one who told us that their vote was solely for donald trump. and not some vote that was against hillary clinton. yes we asked that different. these voters stand apart from floe republicans in some key ways. starting with immigration. does it add or strengthen the united states or does it detract and weaken? 16% of democrats say it detracts and withins. 43% of republicans say the same
way. another issue. gay marriage. 77% of democrats are in favor. 42% of republicans are too. but only 31% of true trump voters agreed. a big gap between the gop as a whole and the true trump voter. how about the news media? does the news media play too little attention to issues of the working americans? finally, does it make you comfortable or uneasy that the nation is becoming more diverse and tolerant of different lifestyles? only 10% of democrats were uneasy. 44% of republicans said the same. over half of true trump voters, 56% answered the same way. so the true trump voters is starting to look distinct. will these voters react to the president entertaining a deal
with democrats on the daca. our data shows this is not a group looking for compromise or misdemeanor radiation. will they continue to stick and trust the president trump they got to know as the candidate? we're going to soon find out. when we come back. ever since president trump made a fire and fury statement north korea has moved closer to becoming a genuine nuclear threat to the united states. does america have any options left beyond more tough talk?
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back now with end game. i want to begin because the week is going to be taken up a lot by north korea. but it seems as if we're running in place on north korea. i put together a montage of the last four president, including this one on all of their north korea promises. take a listen. >> all americans should know that as a result of this achievement on korea, our nation will be safer and the future of our people more secure. >> we look forward to the day when we can and end the korean
war. that will end will happen when kim jong-il verifiably gets rid of has weapons programs and his weapons. >> pose a threat to the peace and security of the world and i strongly condemn their reckless action. >> and obviously north korea is a big, big problem and we'll deal with that very strongly. >> each president has had this on their plate. each one has been -- >> they want to see what sanctions will do. remember we have a wild card president here this time and he might be a different clip in your montage afterwards. because look, senior administration officials early on in this administration were talking to me and others about how this is a major, major problem to the point where military action indeed may come to fruition at some point.
and any president is going to do it. i think a lot of people know this their gut that it is going to be potentially this president. >> ironically here, and i've heard this from the left and the right. they wish they had a credible military option because it seems that kim jong un doesn't believe zblus the fact that no previous things has been able to crack the code means it doesn't make sense to call them all week. he's got to figure why have we not been able to. but you can't allow some spontaneous comment about fire and fury to even mobilize him even further as they did to have more missile tests you need a clear process within that. just like the cube p missile crisis was a much better situation the decision making than the bay of pigs. we have to make sure rational options, every diplomacy possible. you can't allow spontaneous tweets to have anything to do with north korea from now on. >> we're a logical country and
most of us expect people at some point in time to behave logically. i lived a cuban missile crisis. there was a madman that put 11 million lives at risk and gladly did so. gorbachev was amazing that he was willing to be so risk taking that he would put all these people at risk. in this case it looks like you are going to have the military options in place. the diplomatic but a kind of case you have to almost get close to having to press a button for something to happen. >> -- russia and china and what happens with them and how do you have a military option if you can't get china on board for that? if you can't get south korea on board for that. japan on board for that. remember the place that's in the most danger would be seoul, south korea. and if we have a military option are we willing to essentially sacrifice the south korean
capital and that is really difficult? >> i have a potpourri of the issues i want to discuss. each individually. dorris, what do you make of what bernie sanders and happening in the democratic party? are they making a rush to the left in single payor? >> i think they are looking at the future of the party and as you said the party hasn't done well in the states and local areas and much less the national government and they need a soul back. >> is bernie the soul of the democratic party. >> i'm not saying he is. >> some democrats think he is. >> people don't identify with parties the way they used to. they don't feel i'm a democratic. i'm a republican. i'm an independent. parties have to begin to build on issues and on policies that people care about. whether this is the one to do it or not. i don't know. >> david your beat in many ways is the intersection of the religion and politics. i have to ask you this poll question that came from -- this
week. a politician who commit answer immoral act can they still behave ethically? in 2016 it was 72%. essentially it is clear. why evangelicals are giving donald trump a pass on his moral behavior? why this change? >> if you look at 2011 and 16 what happened between barack obama's second term. i think a lot of people believe it is time for a new justice or whatever you have. the point is donald trump has become this cultural warrior for evangelicals. talk about god having a sense of hourm. there are pro life leaders calling him the most pro life president there's ever been. >> could this hurt the movement that they won't be taken seriously on immoral issues.
>> the chuck and nancy show on debt issues and all that. that's fine. that's going to be okay in non evangelical world. but if he crosses evangelicals, got to be careful. >> it was so good we thought it would make a good pod cast and. and "meet the press" pod cast, 1947. get your pen ready. that's all for today. we'll be back next week. because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."
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